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In other words: either it's a miracle, or it's an aberration that will be shortly corrected, or it's a trap. I'm with brother Ockham on this.
– Piskvor left the building
Commented Feb 19, 2020 at 20:59
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(miracle: "we have actually changed and there won't be yet another January 2020"; aberration: "oh wait, that wasn't supposed to happen, retract and erase evidence"; trap: "sow uncertainty and false hope to keep the $ flowing")
– Piskvor left the building
Commented Feb 19, 2020 at 21:12
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I don't know. Looks to me like SOI made a major investment in restructuring their organizational tree. You don't do that for s****s and giggles.
– Scott Seidman
Commented Feb 19, 2020 at 21:46
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"Such about-turn is ridiculously improbable." - I mean, it seems pretty likely to me, at least in the sense that SE Inc. finally recognizes that when you're digging yourself into a hole, the first step is to stop digging. It remains to be seen how effective that about-turn is, given that SE Inc. has often taken 1 step forward and then 2 steps back lately - they've basically shot themselves in the foot repeatedly. But it totally seems likely to me that they are trying to right their wrongs. I do understand your skepticism, though; actions speak louder than words...
– V2Blast
Commented Feb 19, 2020 at 21:51
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Indeed. You do that to keep the $ flowing. For example, if an IPO were upcoming, you definitely would not want your users fleeing the site...so you would say something to placate them. That would work...unless your actions were, for a very long time, the exact opposite. That's not to mention that this doesn't mention the Apparently Unmentionable Incident which catalyzed last year's descent to madness.
– Piskvor left the building
Commented Feb 19, 2020 at 21:56
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@V2Blast: As I wrote, I would love that to be the case. Alas, I've lived for too long to believe it: when someone comes with promises "but I have completely changed, and that's the abrupt end of my previous actions, not a single drop anymore," rarely is that actually fulfilled, it's usually because they need something from you, and lapse back shortly after. Hope dies last, of course.
– Piskvor left the building
Commented Feb 19, 2020 at 22:02
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Ah, okay. I suppose the terseness of your answer led to my misunderstanding what you were saying (i.e. what you don't "believe" about the post). To me, it read as if saying "I don't believe you're really trying to improve things" (i.e. you don't believe they're even taking these initiatives), since you said you "do not believe a single letter of this"... Rather than what you apparently meant, which is simply that you don't believe SE Inc. will maintain this sense of communicativeness/transparency/etc. for long. That's understandable, but I'd suggest editing your answer to elaborate a bit.
– V2Blast
Commented Feb 19, 2020 at 22:09
Edited...is it clearer now? (I am on a phone in a browser here, hence the short answer; tbh didn't even expect to be logged in anywhere, anymore)
– Piskvor left the building
Commented Feb 19, 2020 at 22:16
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I agree with the sentiment in this answer. Basically there is still the fundamental incongruity of community and company goals. Users are not in it for the company, the company is not in it for the users. This needs to be solved and the way forward is that each side tells the other honestly what it needs and then see if there is room for compromise. Not announcements but answers.
– NoDataDumpNoContribution
Commented Feb 19, 2020 at 22:34
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Whatever this thing is that's up-and-coming, losing the 2k users that DVed the two previous 'apologies' is likely a boon to SE's intentions.
– Mazura
Commented Feb 20, 2020 at 2:39
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@Mazura: Good for StackExpertsExchange then, whatever they wish to do.
– Piskvor left the building
Commented Feb 20, 2020 at 8:23

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