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Including the last few stragglers, 16 international students reached out to me for help with their placement tests at Columbia University for this year’s fall term (a new record).  As always, I asked them what tests they used to get admitted to the school in the first place.  The results were: Duolingo English Test - 15 TOEFL - 1 IELTS - 0 When I ask questions like “what went wrong with TOEFL?” I am sometimes accused of being too harsh. But clearly something has changed. Pre-pandemic, there is a good chance that every one of those students would have taken the TOEFL. Individuals who don’t talk to test takers every day and who don’t teach this stuff one-on-one can miss trends in the industry that ought to be obvious to everyone.  Speaking of what went wrong at the legacy testing firms… that might have something to do with it.  There may be too many degrees of separation between executives and customers. Anyway.  Of course I asked why they all took the DET.  Most mentioned the price and convenience.  One mentioned that the cute characters put her at ease.  Another said that the university told him to take the DET. A few poor souls might sit for the placement test in August. I'll update this post if I talk to any of them.

Mila Kunych

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2w

Thanks for informing us about the trends. Our school prepares for IELTS, CELPIP, PTE, NAATI CCL and OET. Recently, I've had a weird experience of preparing a student for Oxford ELLT as well. Considering the school statistics, we definitely noticed the decline in IELTS. For example, many will prefer CELPIP for migration to Canada. While aiming at Australia, a certain category will opt for PTE (usually, intermediate students after one or two IELTS failures). Three years ago, my student Maria felt a glass ceiling after 6.5 for IELTS Writing in two attempts. Then after two weeks of research, she took Duolingo and moved to Canada. It looked like magic.

Steven Menczel

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2w

Surely the DET is popular because it is far less rigorous than TOEFL and IELTS. As a result it is far easier and cheaper. Universities don’t want rigorous testing so test providers are now trying to provide the minimum to capture market share. It is now up to tests like IELTS to come up with minimum versions of their tests in order to compete.

Liliana Rodriguez Vega

CEO and language coach | English teacher |Business English | IELTS | TOEFL | CELPIP | General English | Spanish for foreigners |workshops | conversation clubs | one to one classes | group classes | online classes

2w

Duolingo? …….

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Jarrad Merlo

Language Testing, Technology and Media

2w

When a market is ordained rather than earned and when the product is not constantly updated a new entrant that earns their place and keeps their product up to date will eat the incumbents’ lunch and mow their lawns!

Anto Saju

I help individuals reach their dream English speaking country by helping them clear IELTS/ OET/PTE examinations using ESA method|TRINITY TESOL, London Certified Communications Trainer |Soft Skills Trainer |SOP Writer |

2w

It seems like legacy tests are failing to garner much interest from GenZ and it's understandable because students prefer to have tests where the results are available in shorter period of time and is easy to understand for them to comprehend. I guess DET does the trick over there.

Achyut Mehra

Business Development Manager | Educator | Career Coach| Open to Business Collaboration

1w

Absolutely correct, I think we need a similar survey for PTE as well, I cannot understand how the same universities ask for Overall 6 or 6.5 in IELTS and settle down for 50 PTE and 100 DET which in no way can be considered an equal proficiency level.

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Eleonora Pessina

Product Manager - English Assessment at Pearson

4d

Good insight! I guess the other interesting qs would be to find out how satisfied the receiving institutions are with students coming with DET… Do they see issues? Do they retest? Are they noticing an increase of studnent needing intensive English classes? It is pretty clear by now that DET has disrupted the market…

Anne Haggerson, PhD, MST

English for Academic Purposes |Virtual Educator| TOEFL Exam Preparation Specialist| TESOL Spain Area Coordinator (Galicia)

2w

I’m a bit shocked by these stats

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Isabella Villar Showalter, MSc

Certified TOEFL Instructor | Certified English Teacher | English for Engineers | MSc, BSc in Industrial Engineering

2w

It concerns me that many university students are being admitted to college and higher levels of education with a not-so-academically-strong English test. It's essential to remember that the academic requirements of the US and other common English-speaking countries are very high, so students will need to have incredibly high levels of understanding and production of English to succeed there.

there are a number of universities that have established in-house ESL programs- for example 'provisionally admitting' intl students, with the requirement that they attend their ESL program and if the complete successfully they can then proceed to their selected course of study- this is smart b/c they capture the Intl Student' $ - and keep them as well as satifying themselves that the student is acceptable ESL competent. ( via in-hose testing or other tests - for which the in-hose pgm has prepared them )Clever- the ESL pgms are not free- so it's a win-win

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