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The Vaster Wilds
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bookshelves: boys-will-be-boys, colonial-and-post-colonial, feminist, historical-fiction, literary-fiction, e-s-book-concierge
Sep 19, 2023
bookshelves: boys-will-be-boys, colonial-and-post-colonial, feminist, historical-fiction, literary-fiction, e-s-book-concierge
I have mentioned before that one of my main considerations when rating a book is whether the author achieved what she wished to achieve in writing the book. Here I think the answer is a resounding yes. This is a compelling writing exercise, and the prose is remarkable. I never love Groff's books, but I have come away from reading her work awed by her craft every single time. There is true artistry here in Groff's descriptions of sensations and wonderings and experiences. Everything is visceral and deeply personal (I have generally found Groff's work cold and that is not an issue here), and right there on the page. There were two problems for me, neither of which has a thing to do with Groff's skill. The first problem is that what she is bringing to life is mostly revolting, really disgusting, and a lot of the time it is not revolting it is kind of dull. (People who enjoy graphic horror might like this, though it is not in any traditional way horror.) The second problem for me is that Groff has a very clear point of view, an integrated theory really, about God and religion and nature and humans as part of the natural world, and as destroyers of the natural world, and it is well presented, it just does not ring true for me personally. (Other than the belief that the world is unsafe for woman. We agree on that. There is a passage that depicts grooming a young girl that is sickening, but is the best writing I have ever read on the subject. Those 4 sentences pack a book into them and I have been fixated on that story for over 24 hours now and I expect it will stay with me for a long time, if not forever.) I don't buy into her theory so I didn't enjoy the book, but I admired every page.
Essentially this is dystopian history. It reads in many ways like many dystopian novels, with our hero tromping through an apocalyptic hellscape outrunning those who wish her dead. Like many of those books, this is threaded through with a strong save the earth message. Those books though are set in the future or in alternate universes, and this book is set in 17th century Virginia. Our lead, we know her only as Zed (which is not her real name), is escaping a British settlement. (It's not mentioned by name, but it seems like it is Jamestown.) Zed is escaping to avoid repercussions from actions I won't spoil. In the early 17th century Jamestown experienced a famine that wiped out most everyone. (Thanks Lauren Groff for making those Williamsburg/Jamestown trips pay off!) Zed was a servant girl charged with raising a young child who is now dead -- she has no money, food or family. In her escape she shares memories (she is utterly alone with lots of time to ponder) and experiences many terrible things. The things that seem to take the most space on the page, other than a couple of long musings on God and nature, are vivid descriptions of Zed's pissing and shitting, her filth. Bothered by detailed descriptions of a woman picking the lice and fleas out of her pubic hair and armpits? Do you want to avoid frank and clinically detailed depictions of steaming torrential piss and ferocious diarrhea (color, texture, velocity of travel, etc.) If so you might want to take a pass. For my friends who appreciate art, reading this is like looking at a Francis Bacon painting. Fascinating, brilliantly rendered, repellant.
I am ending up with a 3 here. Personal enjoyment is a 2 and craft is a 5.
Essentially this is dystopian history. It reads in many ways like many dystopian novels, with our hero tromping through an apocalyptic hellscape outrunning those who wish her dead. Like many of those books, this is threaded through with a strong save the earth message. Those books though are set in the future or in alternate universes, and this book is set in 17th century Virginia. Our lead, we know her only as Zed (which is not her real name), is escaping a British settlement. (It's not mentioned by name, but it seems like it is Jamestown.) Zed is escaping to avoid repercussions from actions I won't spoil. In the early 17th century Jamestown experienced a famine that wiped out most everyone. (Thanks Lauren Groff for making those Williamsburg/Jamestown trips pay off!) Zed was a servant girl charged with raising a young child who is now dead -- she has no money, food or family. In her escape she shares memories (she is utterly alone with lots of time to ponder) and experiences many terrible things. The things that seem to take the most space on the page, other than a couple of long musings on God and nature, are vivid descriptions of Zed's pissing and shitting, her filth. Bothered by detailed descriptions of a woman picking the lice and fleas out of her pubic hair and armpits? Do you want to avoid frank and clinically detailed depictions of steaming torrential piss and ferocious diarrhea (color, texture, velocity of travel, etc.) If so you might want to take a pass. For my friends who appreciate art, reading this is like looking at a Francis Bacon painting. Fascinating, brilliantly rendered, repellant.
I am ending up with a 3 here. Personal enjoyment is a 2 and craft is a 5.
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Reading Progress
September 17, 2023
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Started Reading
September 17, 2023
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September 18, 2023
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25.0%
"The writing is beautiful, as it always is with Groff. I am bothered that she seems to justify nearly everything based on extreme want (murder and rape included) but lord knows everyone gets their comeuppance. I am not quite sure where we are going with this story yet, but enjoying the journey."
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September 18, 2023
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74.26%
"Yeah, she lost me. Lauren Groff and I have a disconnect. Her writing is gorgeous but I don't buy into her world view but agree it is hard to be a woman. Here there is one character on the run and every day is the same. Men threaten. She eats gross things (grubs, baby squirrels, random mushrooms), She has painful peeing, shitting, lice, things piercing her flesh all meticulously described. Historical dystopia."
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September 19, 2023
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boys-will-be-boys
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colonial-and-post-colonial
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feminist
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historical-fiction
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literary-fiction
September 19, 2023
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Finished Reading
July 7, 2024
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e-s-book-concierge
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Glad I am not alone, Jo. It is her vision, it is true to her, but these people don't do things that make sense to me, and a lot of the time they don't do things that interest me.
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I don't think Groff and I are destined to make each other's acquaintance anytime soon, but thank you for this effective description of her work, and of Bacon's.
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What a lovely comment, Sarah. How lucky that you had access to such challenging art as a teen. I don't think I saw a Bacon painting until I was in my 30s. I will never forget how that first view felt, something I can say about very few artists (Jackson Pollock, Max Beckmann, and perhaps a few more.) Did that experience leave yo a fan of his work?
The Bacon comparison is particularly for this book, not other Groff I have read, but with all her work there is, for me, a sense of too much of an already overwhelming muchness. The craft is amazing, it is effective art, but it is dissonant and off-putting for me.
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Speaking of which, it sounds like "too much of an already overwhelming muchness" might feel like the opposite of catharsis? One punch too many to let you come out the other side of the dystopian nightmare a la Rocky Balboa?
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LOL, yes! This is literary CTE.
As for Bacon, I cannot imagine owning one. I don't want that in my home! But I would trade a limb for one of my favorite Pollock pieces. My favorite is at MoMA, and I will sometimes spend an hour with it and it makes me feel like I have sat on a cold rocky empty beach for an afternoon (for me that is a good thing, I recognize it might not appeal to all.) Beckmann, I am not sure. I love his work. Every time I gaze at his triptychs (in the words of Dr. Frank-n-Furter) it makes me "shiver with anticipation." But it is mostly scary and heartbreaking, and I don't think it is the best thing for me to see every day.
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P.S. - The beach, in any weather, sans people... yes please!
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P.S. - The beach, in any weather, sans people... yes please!"
"One: Number 31" is the painting. I also love "Action Painting 1" A whole lot. My other fave Pollock which I visit regularly is at The Met, "Autumn Rhythm (Number 30)" All are drip paintings, but I do love his other work as well.
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Yes, there is something about Pollock's cloudy canvases that really speaks to me, The drip paintings create a static look at motion, which is cool in itself, but I also see in them a reflection both of Pollock's surroundings -- these paintings look like the Hamptons in fall and winter -- and what was going on in his head and heart. That clash between the cold mistiness and the sexy riotous round forms just gets me.
I am not very intellectual about viewing art. It is like 93% visceral.
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For me the emotional/visceral response to art is primary. I am interested in how others analyze art; though that has nothing to do with my love, or not, of a piece.
As for this novel, definitely not for me. I do appreciate what you say about Groff's writing.
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For me the ..."
MoMA holds so many wonders! Sounds like you guys had a great visit. I had historically not been a fan of Krasner's work but also had not seen much of it. Then MoMA started displaying a couple pieces and one of those canvases I love. Also, that piece is across the gallery from a gorgeous Helen Franknethaler that has become one of my favorites though I would have told you that I did not like Frankenthaler before seeing that piece. I think most of the women painting at that time got overshadowed by the men around them, and we just don't see much from them, Krasner spent so much of her time shilling for Pollock and cleaning up his messes that it is a miracle she had any time for her own work. He was toxic as all get out, but the heart wants what it wants, and my heart wants his work. I can drown in his canvases. Honestly, when I see my favorite pieces my heart pounds, my breath hitches, and it feels like love. (I know that is weird.)
I think you are making a good choice with this book. I remain impressed with her writing skill, and that is why I keep coming back to Groff, but I can't say I have ever really enjoyed reading her work beyond the appreciation of her abilities.
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Thanks for your nice words, Larkin. I am afraid this was a library book so I don't have access to the sentences. They were the portion where she talked about being a small child and being showered with praise and sweets but the language escapes me.
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Ah, Tiny Mischief, the red and fleshy poet was calling the girl invisibly all the way distant here in the wilds the way he had once called her Tiny Mischief in the city. Tiny Mischief, come now, sit on my lap, I’ll not hurt thee.
And in her mouth, she tasted both a spice cake and the fat finger that pushed it in.
Tiny Mischiefs, like beasts, do feed until they’re fat, he said in her ear, goosing her.
And then they bleed, the sparrow like poet said drily, watching him with his sharp eyes.
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I thought I was coming to the novel fresh, but the record shows we discussed it pretty darn thoroughly beforehand!
Strange fact: the lice picking, mad shitting and eating of grubs in this book didn't bother me one bit, given that Bear Grylls is one of my favorite people on earth to watch in survival mode. The man drinks his own pee in emergencies, and he'll eat just about anything that isn't poison. I love it.
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